tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post8244015479450223579..comments2023-10-27T08:09:37.525-04:00Comments on Bhikkhu's Blog: Right Speech and the InternetAjahn Punnadhammohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09660291919550183357noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-63575526691945104762007-04-22T11:53:00.000-04:002007-04-22T11:53:00.000-04:00Maybe I am missing out on something here but isn't...Maybe I am missing out on something here but isn't both grasping or desire is the cause of suffering? <BR/>I mean clinging is suffering, as described in the first noble truth (clinging to skhandas), while desire is the orign of this suffering as described in the second noble truth. This does allso make sense if you look at it from the perspective of the twelve causational links, where desire henrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06434499508876694387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-48283554934403886452007-04-22T01:08:00.000-04:002007-04-22T01:08:00.000-04:00Dear Barry,I am sorry, I don’t share supreme faith...Dear Barry,<BR/><BR/>I am sorry, I don’t share supreme faith in the words of Ajaan Sumedho, but of course I do follow the Buddha and his words:<BR/><BR/>Ida.m kho pana bhikkhave dukkhasamudayo ariyasacca.m:<BR/><BR/>Yaaya.m ta.nhaa ponobbhavikaa nandi-raaga-sahagataa tatra tatraabhinandinii,<BR/><BR/>Seyyathiida.m, Kaama-ta.nhaa bhava-ta.nhaa vibhava-ta.nhaa<BR/><BR/>(Dhammacakkappavatana Sutta)<Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-88017733822632944442007-04-20T07:51:00.000-04:002007-04-20T07:51:00.000-04:00Yuttadhammo said: "The Buddha didn't say attachmen...Yuttadhammo said: "The Buddha didn't say attachment (upadana) is the cause of suffering, he said that desire (tanha) is the cause of suffering."<BR/><BR/>Ajahn Sumedho said "It is the grasping of desire that is suffering. Desire does not cause suffering; the cause of suffering is the grasping of desire. This statement is for reflection and contemplation in terms of your individual experience.<BR/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-60384071087024262822007-04-19T18:18:00.000-04:002007-04-19T18:18:00.000-04:00@Prince RoyYou might find some stuff here:http://w...@Prince Roy<BR/><BR/>You might find some stuff here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/bmc1/ch05.html<BR/><BR/>under Thanissaro's explanation of the 13th sanghadisesa, or here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/dob/dob-01tx.htm<BR/><BR/>under majjhima-sila, where it says:<BR/><BR/><I>17. 'Or he might say: "Whereas some recluses and Brahmans, while living on Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-7622398021340767002007-04-19T13:00:00.000-04:002007-04-19T13:00:00.000-04:00"All of the Dhamma principles of Buddhism can be s..."All of the Dhamma principles of Buddhism can be summarized: upadana is the cause of dukkha; dukkha is born out of upadana. We all must understand this matter of upadana well. To make it easy to understand, we must see it clearly as being just like a prison -- a mental prison, a spiritual prison. We come to study Dhamma and develop samadhi (mental stability and calm) and vipassana (insight) in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-7476599884279182892007-04-19T10:31:00.000-04:002007-04-19T10:31:00.000-04:00Venerable Punnadhammo, may I kindly point out that...Venerable Punnadhammo, may I kindly point out that the "anatta6" link in your 'Reading Suttas' post is no longer functional. Thank-you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-87668967935334543052007-04-19T08:38:00.000-04:002007-04-19T08:38:00.000-04:00Yuttadhammo said: "The Buddha didn't say attachmen...Yuttadhammo said: "The Buddha didn't say attachment (upadana) is the cause of suffering, he said that desire (tanha) is the cause of suffering."<BR/><BR/>Ajahn Sumedho said "It is the grasping of desire that is suffering. Desire does not cause suffering; the cause of suffering is the grasping of desire. This statement is for reflection and contemplation in terms of your individual experience.<BR/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-80863819541772433132007-04-18T23:49:00.000-04:002007-04-18T23:49:00.000-04:00@Barry - I guess it depends on your outlook on thi...@Barry - I guess it depends on your outlook on things. The Buddha didn't say attachment (upadana) is the cause of suffering, he said that desire (tanha) is the cause of suffering. Maybe desire is not how you would translate tanha, but it certainly wouldn't be translated as attachment. <BR/><BR/>It's funny how you say that the human form is built for desire, as though that were an excuse for Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-52101943013422811772007-04-18T17:39:00.000-04:002007-04-18T17:39:00.000-04:00Yuttadhammo,If a person from the government came u...Yuttadhammo,<BR/><BR/>If a person from the government came up and shot and killed Your Mom(loved one) what would You do?<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what I would do, but<BR/>by bringing bad government behavior<BR/>to light may prevent that execution. <BR/><BR/>I doubt it but at least one has done something.Ben 8)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02454719823276149193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-35675782218740952732007-04-18T14:44:00.000-04:002007-04-18T14:44:00.000-04:00I disagree with Venerable Yuttadhammo. Desire is n...I disagree with Venerable Yuttadhammo. Desire is not what causes suffering. It is attachment which causes suffering. Desire can be both wholesome and unwholesome. This human form is built for desire. It is part of our very being. It is our relationship to it that matters.<BR/>Secondly, discussion on war and climate change are not apart from the experience of the mind. They arise directly from ourAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-16241822585527122752007-04-18T10:45:00.000-04:002007-04-18T10:45:00.000-04:00Bhante, Just a short comment about politics, war a...Bhante, <BR/><BR/>Just a short comment about politics, war and climate change. I can see the point that Buddhism has to be relevant to the issues of today, but I think it most certainly can be so without having to take up a stand on those issues themselves. The great thing about Buddhism is that it gives people a way out, not simply out of the problems these issues cause, but of the causes of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22928991.post-7191325196336219252007-04-18T10:23:00.000-04:002007-04-18T10:23:00.000-04:00I'm curious as to what the Vinaya actually instruc...I'm curious as to what the Vinaya actually instructs as to a Buddhist monstic's involvement with politics. Might you address this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com